Researching the UFO Phenomena
Jerry Sievers Interview with Steven Hile
Searching for Answers within Strangeness
Part 1 The Energy Modalities
Jerry Sievers: You have been telling me for some time now that this is the Segment you have been biting at the bit to do?
Steven Hile: This is the Segment! If I were somehow informed ten years ago I would be involved in doing an endeavor like this, in no way could I have believed it.
JS: We have talked about this at different times in the past. How far will this take us toward arriving at any identifiable solutions regarding the UFO phenomenon?
SH: This Segment will be central to the fundamental analysis. Since I first began seriously study of the UFO phenomena it quickly became apparent there were some subjects which should be part of the phenomena but were no where to be found. I found both major subjects and smaller subjects which were either addressed strangely, and/or not addressed at all. To me these presented major questions. In the main title of this interview I asked for the term 'multidisciplines" to be used. The purpose was to give this interview a title which would be addressed to these concepts and areas which are suspiciously missing.
JS: Could you give a example?
SH: I already have. "Evolution" in Segment 2 and the "Extraterrestrial Hypotheses" in Segment 3. I know there are those who will differ with me but I expect that to be the case as I will show later.
Here in this Segment, I venture out into a discipline of sorts which I have a good deal of experience in. Since my first serious study of the phenomena I have found tie-in's, but no alignments.
JS: What do you contribute your involvement in this endeavor to?
SH: Since my interest in the UFO phenomena actual goes back to 1952, I've had a lot of time to either be engrossed in it or just away from it. I was really away from the phenomenon from the late 1950s until about 1998. While I had no direct involvement during those years the one thing that is evident is this phenomenon never goes away. There was always times when it came around. Whether it was the newspapers, radio/television or a discussion of some sort, it always kept coming back. And that is particularly true with the advent of the internet. With a previous interest, the internet made it quite easy to have a more direct access to this phenomenon. In a sense it seems I was prepared when this opportunity came around.
JS: Would you speculate why you were away so long?
SH: Much of it had to do with maturing interest but also in my case I was in electrical engineering and flying saucers are pretty much a joke in the engineering lab.
JS: How would you describe your preparedness?
SH: First an inquisitiveness like many others! But as I stated above it was intriguing as to how much of the phenomena seemed to ignore so many areas (or disciplines) which I was familiar with. A question I always had was 'how can you not include areas which seemed to me to exist along side the phenomena itself?
JS: OK, I got a few questions in mind. First however, in Segment 1 you gave us some general background on yourself. However could you relate to some of your more recent experiences or background?
SH: After the Air Force I attended college for a couple of years but only finished it up after working for several years in consumer and commercial electronics (as it was referred to at the time). While electrical engineering was my major some chemistry was required. I minored in psychology which I had an interest in but also furthered myself in chemistry. After obtaining a BSEE I joined a medical diagnostic company. They had me doing instrumentation and related chemistry documentation and I published quite a number of documents relating to diagnostic products. With this back ground I found myself providing support to these products in the use environment; i.e. clinics, hospitals and doctor offices. This allowed me to develop an extensive troubleshooting background on state of the art instrumentation and related chemistries. I never had the luxury of being able to fail in any one area because there is so much at stake in the medical environment. We were state of the art and we were in the medical environment around the world. I had a lot of resources at my disposal which I became proficient at using. I believe it's key to find the available resources which are applicable. Then you have some tools to work with.
JS: How long were you in diagnostic field?
SH: Nearly 30 years all together. What was interesting is that what ever the state of the art, it advances at the same rate in all fields. This is obvious as advancements are necessary to maintain and grow new technology. Consumer examples are cell phones, ipods, computers; you just name it. It's driven by money and you see changes every year. In the medical field technology changes about ever three to five years mainly because the capital investments are much higher and organizations must get a reasonable use life in their purchases. Also medical development must satisfy more stringent domestic and International regulations which is time consuming.
JS: Can you say that state of the art technology is pretty much the same all over the world?
SH: True, but corporations do try to maintain as much product secrecy as possible for obvious reasons; i.e., corporate rights and so on. But as soon as your product is marketed everybody discovers it; part of doing business. Solid state technology is only produced by a few International corporations, and to have a return and recover development cost requires marketing. Today much technology is manufactured almost exclusive off-shore to the U.S. Almost every one has access to the current state of technology because its an economic thing.
JS: What about Government controlled technology? Is there far-out technology that is in the hands of the government? Technology beyond that which me know?
SH: That is a question I would like to address at a later point. I believe some of the subjects we've discussed to this point play a big part, but we are not yet ready to fully address it. That would include the so called alien technology as well.
JS: OK then back to the questions I alluded to above. What precipitated the endeavor we are discussing here?
SH: Previously in Segment 1, I referred to the 'energy healing modalities' but at that point we were not yet ready to look at it.
JS: Can you give an idea of what energy modalities are?
SH: Generally these are therapeutic agents used in a therapy; energy modalities are not generally recognized in the medical world. However I can provide dozens of web sites which speak otherwise, some which I have listed in the left bar. The essence of it is, "they work" or we would not be here talking about it. But the importance of it is not that they work, it is 'how they work'. How they work is beyond the ordinary. Also my essence here has to be while they work for myself, it would appear from my perspective they would work for most any one acceptable to them. Therein lays the clue to something which lies beyond our senses to detect. What is it? Why is it? That is not very easy to describe. I would first like to review how it came about for me, and then later look at some physics and mathematics that may lay behind it.
JS: Then where did all of this begin for you?
SH: I had a long road into the energy healing modalities. Before working in the medical diagnostics field my spouse experienced some emotional disorders which were not very well treated for in the 70's. While in college I worked for two years at an Indiana state mental hospital where I had exposure to patients as well as state prison inmates (working there as trustees). My function was to attempt matching hospital patients to available work jobs in the various departments at the hospital. This was to be patient therapy and gave me exposure to an environment I would not otherwise have had. While it was not my vocation it allowed me to see situations regarding human care which would serve me later. My experience was beneficial and I did experience things which can leave you ill. But that's not the subject here.
When my spouse experienced her disorders, it was really an emotional thing for me. I knew what all this meant and it was very hard to accept. In the course of necessary medical treatment the first few years were extremely difficult. Some events which happened were heart breaking and I have only came to understand them better in the last few years.
After working in medical diagnostics for a few years I became quite frustrated with my spouses medical condition and the failure of medical treatments to achieve any lasting successes. As would be expected in this situation you get well intended suggestions from persons who want to help. One was to look into alternative health care. This was new to me but I was in desperation and near an end. The first real break came in 1981 when we visited the then named International Hospital in Zion, Illinois. I not only check my spouse in but I checked myself in as well. For eight or nine years I had been taking medication to control a hives condition which could be severe at times. After some tests which I was not familiar with I was stunningly informed I had an allergy to of all things 'wheat'. I discontinued the medicine, went on a wheat free diet and my hives went away. My spouse had a similar allergy to 'corn' which was destroying her white blood cells.
These successes we experienced using alternative concepts changed my understanding of the medical community as it existed then and gave me a new perspective on my vocation in medical diagnostics. It became a walk where I had to find a balance between what I was doing in the medical diagnostics and a new truth which I was now forced to accept. I found out the hard way there are truths which may just go against what you have set in your mind. Perhaps another term I can use here is "Para dyne". I had a change in mine! It gave me a new perspective on being open to changes in the way I viewed things. In other words it taught me to be more open minded.
JS: This was a different perspective for you? What affects did it have on you?
SH: One affect it had on me was it took me back to my early childhood. I knew I was born anemic which my mother had related to me. I remember having to take what would be though of as medicine today but were really herbal preparations; particularly I remember 'pepsin'. These were given to me by the medical doctors whom my mother took me to in my home town. This gave me cause to research back and I found herbal preparations were common before World War II. I even found a physician's portable chest from the early 1900's with actual raw herbals in sealed glass bottles which had metal lids with glass windows. Physicians could find what they were looking for in the chest by simply looking at the substance through the lid window.
This then is a field of medical treatment which has been almost total lost to modern medicine but still exists on other venues. It's been us all along but is now seeing an increasing come back through vitamins and minerals, and you can find herbals now in pharmacies. Up until the 1940's they were common affective treatments.
JS: Where did all this than take you?
SH: I started studying herbals through educational seminars sponsored by particular companies which manufactured vitamins, minerals and herbals for the original purpose of becoming knowledgeable in the field. In doing so I quickly came into contact with other fields in what is now known as alternative health care; among them Iridology and Contact Reflex Analysis (CRA). Both of these have to do with electrical energy systems within the body which can be used to analysis bodily functions and conditions. Iridology is most interesting and easily learned. CRA is another thing. I've been shocked by 220 volts and by electric fences in rain storms. During a CRA training session I was literally shocked by a person's finger touching a point on my chest. It felt like it put my shoulder out of it's socket and the pain took hours to subside. CRA may sound suspicious but I know persons who use it successfully in their practice. At the completion of reviewing these energy modalities I will summarize what my research shows is going on.
What I can say about the energy modalities is that there are extremely complex micro electro-systems in our bodies for which there have been diagnostic systems provided for. Here I was an electrical engineer working with blood, urine and cellular diagnostics and expericing for the first time how deeply electrical and complex the human body system is.
JS: You were driven at this point by your spouses situation?
SH: My whole purpose in it to this point was my spouse. I was hoping to find something which would help without total dependence on the medical treatments. It was extremely difficult watching the strain on her. What I was personally dealing with seemed to be a drive within me. We had some success but a normal life was not coming and there were many setbacks. The medical regiments which were necessary required my assurance that they occurred correctly.
These experiences showed me there were alternatives available if you were willing to accept and work with them. To this point what I had learned was for all practical purposes 'common' practices in the holistic community. These holistic or alternative health care practices are in almost any community. Unfortunately while there are good sides to this it is also true there are down sides. There is much I could say in this regard but not here. Suffice it to say any one who endeavors into holistic alternatives must do it in depth or find a good holistic person to help them. (A word about Skeptics).
JS: What happened next?
SH: We had tried other different things; Christian healing but no benefits seemed to come. I learned Contact Reflex Analysis and Iridology. Useful and interesting diagnostic tools but they did not provide the healings we needed.
Then came what I look back on and say was key to a turning point. I was perhaps ready now to venture into yet deeper areas of analysis. I was trained as a medical diagnostics troubleshooter and was able to use resources and adjust my thinking to accept new concepts and findings. Had I not been through all of the previous experiences, I would not have been where I now was.
What I am about to present here is the first of two healing modalities. Both are very similar and they both work within limits. What is important is to realize they work by energies which are present around us. These energies have proprieties different that those energizes controlled by the laws of physics as we know them. I would never have come to this realization if I had not experienced what I am about to describe. In doing this I simply took advantage of what was available to me. They may be found in many communities and sources are available on the internet.
The first energy modality program or practice I experienced was called Reiki (pronounced "ray-key"). Reiki is of Japanese origin however it has an intriguing story behind it (see left bar). Reiki training was available locally at the time and some friends were talking about it.
JS: What was involved in Reiki training and what did you achieve?
SH: There were four levels of training, each resulting in an achieved level of practice. I completed four levels achieving "Reiki Master" after going through 1st, 2nd and 3rd degrees. Each degree was a week end and included lecture, application and spiritual guidance. After the 3rd degree you could actual create a practice. More information can be found in the links provided on the side bar page.
JS: If Reiki is an ancient technique, do you believe what you practiced was of ancient origin?
SH: Initially I was not sure. The actual practicing I did was on other members of our training group. At that time I only knew any results through the feedback I got from those I practiced on. Over time I came to realize that feedback is how you initially experience what you are doing is actually working. After much experience other means become apparent to you of what is happening. But feedback from those you work with is very meaningful as to what you achieved.
In a word than, yes I believe in an ancient origin. In fact as we continue it will become apparent of just how ancient it might be and the origins in which it might be rooted.
JS: You actually never practice Reiki professionally?
SH: No. My objective was to work with my spouse. While I qualified to begin a Reiki healing practice I choose not to at the time.
JS: What kind of results did you achieve?
Since Reiki is a spiritual program the studies and the attunements are key to it. The Instructor I had became a mentor for me which helped me advance. The advent of the spiritual guide mentioned in the side bar description became a reality. I had a guide with whom I could communicate. This of course seems strange but it actually happened. It is difficult to describe communications with such an entity. The best description I have found to illustrate this communications is Dr. John Nash's comments found in Segment 4 of this interview.
JS: It's real difficult rationalizing such a thing.
SH: That I can understand. I did not get to this point by waking up one morning and realizing it. If you can rationalize extraterrestrial aliens, why could you not rationalize spiritual beings? How would thought communications otherwise work?
SH: Like Dr. Nash the concept of things 'just coming to you in your mind' is the best description for this communications. If you start questioning it, things become quite confusing quickly. You learn what to do and what not to do. For Dr. Nash, I certainly can understand what he is saying. I never had these types of occurrences previously. I always used logic and reasoning to arrive at answers which is a volitional type of thing. It's a strange concept to have answers or ideas just appear in you mind.
JS: What about the spiritual guide. What can you tells about that?
SH: That was an interesting and difficult experience which I believe we need describe in a side bar sub-segment.
JS: You have often preferred to put off talking about certain subjects until later. I know I am inquisitive and I want to know more. Do you think this is advantages?
SH: If I went into details at those points, the chances are you would be much less likely to believe me and we could get "mucked" down to use a farming expression. As we have went through this Interview you have at points offer experiences or events you are familiar with which support the subject matter. Its apparent these discussions light up your memories and make what we are talking about here understandable.
(Editors Note: These insertions by JS have been left out of the Interview for space purposes.)
JS: At this point where do we go next?
SH: What happened was another similar Healing Touch program was offered in the area and it became what I needed next.
Next: Searching For Answers within Strangeness; Part 2